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		<title>Comment on Consultants Present Final Report by Steve Chew</title>
		<link>http://leboaquaticcenter.wordpress.com/2007/01/19/consultants-present-final-report/#comment-229</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Chew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 15:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having attended the January meeting and read through the final report I feel that option 3 is the best (outdoor aquatic center with 50 meter pool and leisure pool).  We need the 50 meter pool so that our local aqua club can practice, remain competitive and host events.  And the leisure pool with the slides and zero entry will be a wonderful place to visit for children and for adults. I have two children and look forward to taking them to the pool in the summer and the added fun of the leisure pool would make a significant difference to how often we visit. Also the cost is not that much greater than the plain 50 meter pool, especially given that this option is estimated to actually make money each year (on operating expenses) as opposed to losing money like the plain 50 meter pool.

The indoor option seems far too expensive and is estimated to lose $400,000 per year which is unacceptable. Also I don&#039;t like the idea of spending my summers swimming with my kids indoors rather than out in the sunshine.  Option 4 with the 25 meter pool will mean that the local aqua club, one of the largest in Pennsylvania, will have no where to practice or hold events since their events require a 50 meter pool. Its somewhat lower cost does not justify losing that important aspect of our pool.

So I would like to see us move forward with option 3 to build the outdoor 50 meter pool and leisure pool.

Steve Chew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having attended the January meeting and read through the final report I feel that option 3 is the best (outdoor aquatic center with 50 meter pool and leisure pool).  We need the 50 meter pool so that our local aqua club can practice, remain competitive and host events.  And the leisure pool with the slides and zero entry will be a wonderful place to visit for children and for adults. I have two children and look forward to taking them to the pool in the summer and the added fun of the leisure pool would make a significant difference to how often we visit. Also the cost is not that much greater than the plain 50 meter pool, especially given that this option is estimated to actually make money each year (on operating expenses) as opposed to losing money like the plain 50 meter pool.</p>
<p>The indoor option seems far too expensive and is estimated to lose $400,000 per year which is unacceptable. Also I don&#8217;t like the idea of spending my summers swimming with my kids indoors rather than out in the sunshine.  Option 4 with the 25 meter pool will mean that the local aqua club, one of the largest in Pennsylvania, will have no where to practice or hold events since their events require a 50 meter pool. Its somewhat lower cost does not justify losing that important aspect of our pool.</p>
<p>So I would like to see us move forward with option 3 to build the outdoor 50 meter pool and leisure pool.</p>
<p>Steve Chew</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to Our Blog by Christine Aspiotis</title>
		<link>http://leboaquaticcenter.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/welcome-to-our-blog/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine Aspiotis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Nov 2006 18:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks for the opportunity to comment on the pool plans without having to turn my evening upside down to get to a meeting.  This is very convenient.

First, I&#039;m very pleased to see the zero-depth entry getting consideration.  It is the reason we choose Dormont pool over Mt. Lebanon.  My daughter, who is very timid when it comes to water, loves to determine the depth she&#039;s comfortable with and &quot;ease in&quot; to the deeper water with me.  This summer my mother, also a Mt. Lebanon resident, came to Dormont pool with us and had a ball.  Being in her 60&#039;s and not in the best health, she hadn&#039;t been swimming in ages and really enjoyed herself.  I think zero-depth is appealing to young and older residents and I would love to see it.  

I also agree that it doesn&#039;t need to become Sandcastle.  What we have is fine with some upgrades while keeping general footprint of the pool.  I would favor a larger pool  in the hopes that it would become a more popular destination when completed and there would be plenty of room for families, serious swimmers, zero-depth entry, etc.  The dressing room hasn&#039;t changed in 30 years and is a little scary, but I would hope a new building is a given.

The two things that I personally would like to see are the restrictions on floating toys changed and more diving boards.  Like I mentioned, my daughter is timid in the water and the arm floaties, rings, etc. are a great comfort to her.  She calls Lebo the &quot;not fun pool&quot; because of the freedom at Dormont to bring in whatever she needs.  Floaters can&#039;t be limited to just the &quot;baby pool&quot; which is an insult to a child like mine.  The &quot;just do it&quot; mentality is old.  Some kids need more time.

Lastly, I learned to dive on the three different height diving boards that used to be at Mt. Lebanon.  It took a whole summer to conquer the highest one, but I did.  Kids can&#039;t learn if they don&#039;t have an opportunity to do so.  I&#039;m not sure I understand why diving boards have all but disappeared, but they need more than one.  

Thanks for listening and good luck to all in making these decisions for a new pool for Lebo.  It&#039;s time, and I trust that the interests of all residents will be considered making our pool once again a great place to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks for the opportunity to comment on the pool plans without having to turn my evening upside down to get to a meeting.  This is very convenient.</p>
<p>First, I&#8217;m very pleased to see the zero-depth entry getting consideration.  It is the reason we choose Dormont pool over Mt. Lebanon.  My daughter, who is very timid when it comes to water, loves to determine the depth she&#8217;s comfortable with and &#8220;ease in&#8221; to the deeper water with me.  This summer my mother, also a Mt. Lebanon resident, came to Dormont pool with us and had a ball.  Being in her 60&#8217;s and not in the best health, she hadn&#8217;t been swimming in ages and really enjoyed herself.  I think zero-depth is appealing to young and older residents and I would love to see it.  </p>
<p>I also agree that it doesn&#8217;t need to become Sandcastle.  What we have is fine with some upgrades while keeping general footprint of the pool.  I would favor a larger pool  in the hopes that it would become a more popular destination when completed and there would be plenty of room for families, serious swimmers, zero-depth entry, etc.  The dressing room hasn&#8217;t changed in 30 years and is a little scary, but I would hope a new building is a given.</p>
<p>The two things that I personally would like to see are the restrictions on floating toys changed and more diving boards.  Like I mentioned, my daughter is timid in the water and the arm floaties, rings, etc. are a great comfort to her.  She calls Lebo the &#8220;not fun pool&#8221; because of the freedom at Dormont to bring in whatever she needs.  Floaters can&#8217;t be limited to just the &#8220;baby pool&#8221; which is an insult to a child like mine.  The &#8220;just do it&#8221; mentality is old.  Some kids need more time.</p>
<p>Lastly, I learned to dive on the three different height diving boards that used to be at Mt. Lebanon.  It took a whole summer to conquer the highest one, but I did.  Kids can&#8217;t learn if they don&#8217;t have an opportunity to do so.  I&#8217;m not sure I understand why diving boards have all but disappeared, but they need more than one.  </p>
<p>Thanks for listening and good luck to all in making these decisions for a new pool for Lebo.  It&#8217;s time, and I trust that the interests of all residents will be considered making our pool once again a great place to be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on About by Ed Fogarty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Fogarty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2006 00:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very much in favor of the Aquatic Center.  I like to swim laps for exercise and agree with others that if the pool was heated earlier in the season, people would get much more use out of it.  I would probably use the pool at least 3 times a week.  I am also in favor of having olympic size lap lanes.

I am single with no children but I still pay the same high property/school taxes of Mt Lebanon that people with children do so this is one way that I could see some value from my property taxes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very much in favor of the Aquatic Center.  I like to swim laps for exercise and agree with others that if the pool was heated earlier in the season, people would get much more use out of it.  I would probably use the pool at least 3 times a week.  I am also in favor of having olympic size lap lanes.</p>
<p>I am single with no children but I still pay the same high property/school taxes of Mt Lebanon that people with children do so this is one way that I could see some value from my property taxes.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to Our Blog by Bruce O'Neill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce O'Neill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Oct 2006 14:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As baby boomers reach retirement age, many consider whether to stay in their current home or move to new surroundings.  Reasons to stay might include proximity to friends, enjoyable weather, reasonable local/state taxes, affordable housing, and the desirability of the community.  Reasons to leave might include harsh local weather, high taxes, expensive housing, and irresponsible govenment.  

The weather is what it is, in Pittsburgh.  An outdoor pool is a 3-months-per-year facility.  Taxes in Mt. Lebanon (and PA) are too high.  The record of government, with respect to doing what it says, within the budget allowed, is poor.  If a recreation facility could be operated at a profit, in a given area, some businessman or group of investors would be doing it and making a profit.  

With Sandcastle (and several other public pools) within about a 30 minute drive from Mt. Lebanon, I think it&#039;s important to identify how much each household is willing to pay (now AND in the future) in tax increases, for the privilege of having our own &quot;Aqua Center&quot; right here.  In addition to the cost of designing, building, and operating such a facility, the municipality will have to cover the associated insurance premiums, utility bills, and other ancillary costs.  Many of these costs will be &#039;buried in the budget&#039;, each as a part of a larger number or line item.  The ice rink is NOT a money-maker. 

I see a disturbing trend playing out in the South Hills lately: each municipality seems to feel that it MUST have every &quot;nice thing&quot; that any neighboring municipality has.  Local governments are playing their taxpayers off against one another.  &quot;What&#039;s the matter with you?  The town next door has one - WE NEED ONE!&quot;

No one is a greater proponent of exercise &amp; fitness than me.  However, the percentage of the municipal population that will use such a facility must be weighed in a cost/benefit analysis.  Also, the apparent lack of coordination between the proponents of the indoor (high school) and outdoor (rec center) pools is troubling.  If a 50 meter lap pool is to be provided to the community by the taxpayers, it makes more sense that it should be indoors.  And, please be considerate of the tax burden on the people who will pay for facilities that they will not use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As baby boomers reach retirement age, many consider whether to stay in their current home or move to new surroundings.  Reasons to stay might include proximity to friends, enjoyable weather, reasonable local/state taxes, affordable housing, and the desirability of the community.  Reasons to leave might include harsh local weather, high taxes, expensive housing, and irresponsible govenment.  </p>
<p>The weather is what it is, in Pittsburgh.  An outdoor pool is a 3-months-per-year facility.  Taxes in Mt. Lebanon (and PA) are too high.  The record of government, with respect to doing what it says, within the budget allowed, is poor.  If a recreation facility could be operated at a profit, in a given area, some businessman or group of investors would be doing it and making a profit.  </p>
<p>With Sandcastle (and several other public pools) within about a 30 minute drive from Mt. Lebanon, I think it&#8217;s important to identify how much each household is willing to pay (now AND in the future) in tax increases, for the privilege of having our own &#8220;Aqua Center&#8221; right here.  In addition to the cost of designing, building, and operating such a facility, the municipality will have to cover the associated insurance premiums, utility bills, and other ancillary costs.  Many of these costs will be &#8216;buried in the budget&#8217;, each as a part of a larger number or line item.  The ice rink is NOT a money-maker. </p>
<p>I see a disturbing trend playing out in the South Hills lately: each municipality seems to feel that it MUST have every &#8220;nice thing&#8221; that any neighboring municipality has.  Local governments are playing their taxpayers off against one another.  &#8220;What&#8217;s the matter with you?  The town next door has one &#8211; WE NEED ONE!&#8221;</p>
<p>No one is a greater proponent of exercise &amp; fitness than me.  However, the percentage of the municipal population that will use such a facility must be weighed in a cost/benefit analysis.  Also, the apparent lack of coordination between the proponents of the indoor (high school) and outdoor (rec center) pools is troubling.  If a 50 meter lap pool is to be provided to the community by the taxpayers, it makes more sense that it should be indoors.  And, please be considerate of the tax burden on the people who will pay for facilities that they will not use.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ideas Shared at Public Meeting by Susan Pavlick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan Pavlick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family has enjoyed visiting Cranberry pool once or twice a summer and I wanted to offer a few suggestions based on their pool facility.  A zero depth entry (that I think most people are in agreement with), scattered permanent umbrellas that offer several groups shade at the same time, a fair amount of chairs and one of our favorite things - the sand area.  (I wouldn&#039;t think it would be too costly)  It is hard to describe, but it is a fairly spacious sand pit with two stations of colorful pipes that have water flowing out of them  There are different ways to manipulate the water flow to fill up buckets, small water reservoirs etc. They have lots of shovels and buckets to play with and a place to rinse off before reentering the pool.    There are 2 or 3 benches around the area for adults to sit on.  We use that area a fair amount because of another favorite feature of the pool...adult swim times every hour.  They offer 10  (or 15) minute breaks for adults (and infants carried in their parents arms) to enjoy the pool, splash free.  I think that it makes the pool a little more community friendly for those without children  (and even those with).  ( It probably bumps up concession revenue, too!) 
With all of that said, I agree that the bells and whistles should be kept to a minimum.  I don&#039;t think we need lazy rivers, fancy slides beyond what our pool already has, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family has enjoyed visiting Cranberry pool once or twice a summer and I wanted to offer a few suggestions based on their pool facility.  A zero depth entry (that I think most people are in agreement with), scattered permanent umbrellas that offer several groups shade at the same time, a fair amount of chairs and one of our favorite things &#8211; the sand area.  (I wouldn&#8217;t think it would be too costly)  It is hard to describe, but it is a fairly spacious sand pit with two stations of colorful pipes that have water flowing out of them  There are different ways to manipulate the water flow to fill up buckets, small water reservoirs etc. They have lots of shovels and buckets to play with and a place to rinse off before reentering the pool.    There are 2 or 3 benches around the area for adults to sit on.  We use that area a fair amount because of another favorite feature of the pool&#8230;adult swim times every hour.  They offer 10  (or 15) minute breaks for adults (and infants carried in their parents arms) to enjoy the pool, splash free.  I think that it makes the pool a little more community friendly for those without children  (and even those with).  ( It probably bumps up concession revenue, too!)<br />
With all of that said, I agree that the bells and whistles should be kept to a minimum.  I don&#8217;t think we need lazy rivers, fancy slides beyond what our pool already has, etc.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Welcome to Our Blog by Norina Daubner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norina Daubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 01:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A new aquatic center will be a great asset to the community.  It should, at the least, have zero entry,  space for lap swimmers and divers, and be heated.   A slide or two would be attractive to young families as would the ability to use some flotation devices.
The lack of these amenitites is sending Mt. Lebanon families to other pools in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A new aquatic center will be a great asset to the community.  It should, at the least, have zero entry,  space for lap swimmers and divers, and be heated.   A slide or two would be attractive to young families as would the ability to use some flotation devices.<br />
The lack of these amenitites is sending Mt. Lebanon families to other pools in the area.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ideas Shared at Public Meeting by Joe Wertheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Wertheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 21:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we do need to talk about money, and taxes. Too often those making decisions about what is &quot;needed&quot; in Mt. Lebanon are more concerned with building monuments to themselves. Mr. Daubner, request the information about the history of the recreation department - growing losses every year. Recreation is certainly an area that the community supports, but shouldn&#039;t we expect that these facilities at least break even (the tennis center manages to do very well without constant municipal (taxpayer) support). This new aquatic center proposal was not something that was demanded by the community- it is being pushed by municipal employees and the Aqua Club. If the old pool becomes         un-usable then it should be fixed or replaced, but we do not need a Sandcastle in Mt. Lebanon. And the cost of such projects, especially those that lose $500,000 per year, must always be considered!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we do need to talk about money, and taxes. Too often those making decisions about what is &#8220;needed&#8221; in Mt. Lebanon are more concerned with building monuments to themselves. Mr. Daubner, request the information about the history of the recreation department &#8211; growing losses every year. Recreation is certainly an area that the community supports, but shouldn&#8217;t we expect that these facilities at least break even (the tennis center manages to do very well without constant municipal (taxpayer) support). This new aquatic center proposal was not something that was demanded by the community- it is being pushed by municipal employees and the Aqua Club. If the old pool becomes         un-usable then it should be fixed or replaced, but we do not need a Sandcastle in Mt. Lebanon. And the cost of such projects, especially those that lose $500,000 per year, must always be considered!</p>
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		<title>Comment on FAQs by elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2006 13:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, i would really like waterslides!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Ideas Shared at Public Meeting by Greg Daubner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Daubner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 12:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not surprised that the first comment was an anti-tax one--albeit a thoughtful well-written one. I have to disagree with several points though.

What we need to do is not always talk about money. We need to look at what&#039;s best for the community. People love the pool. I know that although I don&#039;t use it now I did a lot when I was growing up in the &#039;70s. Things like these are what make &quot;sense of community&quot; that Mr. Ross speaks of. It makes people happy to be residents of Mt. Lebanon. It&#039;s assets like these that make Mt. Lebanon a special place to live. He said there would be more traffic. In other words, if we add the extra touches more people would use the pool. Isn&#039; t people using the pool the main reason to build one? And, the more people that use the pool the higher the revenue keeping taxpayer costs down. I should think a lot of people would like that. 
Finally, whether Mr. Ross believes it or not, community assets such as the pool do increase property values. it&#039;s another reason to move to Mt. Lebanon. Many people come here because it&#039;s a great place to raise kids--safe streets, top-of-the-liine public schools, neighborhood schools, neighborhood parks, and things such as an excellent community pool.

Regarding the &quot;bells and whistles&quot; that Mr. Ross doesn&#039;t want, I say he made a great argument for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised that the first comment was an anti-tax one&#8211;albeit a thoughtful well-written one. I have to disagree with several points though.</p>
<p>What we need to do is not always talk about money. We need to look at what&#8217;s best for the community. People love the pool. I know that although I don&#8217;t use it now I did a lot when I was growing up in the &#8217;70s. Things like these are what make &#8220;sense of community&#8221; that Mr. Ross speaks of. It makes people happy to be residents of Mt. Lebanon. It&#8217;s assets like these that make Mt. Lebanon a special place to live. He said there would be more traffic. In other words, if we add the extra touches more people would use the pool. Isn&#8217; t people using the pool the main reason to build one? And, the more people that use the pool the higher the revenue keeping taxpayer costs down. I should think a lot of people would like that.<br />
Finally, whether Mr. Ross believes it or not, community assets such as the pool do increase property values. it&#8217;s another reason to move to Mt. Lebanon. Many people come here because it&#8217;s a great place to raise kids&#8211;safe streets, top-of-the-liine public schools, neighborhood schools, neighborhood parks, and things such as an excellent community pool.</p>
<p>Regarding the &#8220;bells and whistles&#8221; that Mr. Ross doesn&#8217;t want, I say he made a great argument for them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Ideas Shared at Public Meeting by Mark Rauterkus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Rauterkus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the update and the blog. Keep up the good work in showing what the conversation is about. Any photos?

Was there any talk about a more regional plan? What is going to go on down the road at Dormont? Does that even matter? 

I think we should think about regional elements -- and swim pools are such an asset. A regional park district discussion makes some sense to me. 

Furthermore, what are the upgrades that would be needed for the existing Mt. Lebo outdoor pool? Pool heater? Cost to install? Cost to operate? Rehab of locker spaces? More chairs? More shade / tents? New gutters? New filters? Pool cover? 

And, how much is in the &#039;rainy day fund?&#039; Who is managing that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the update and the blog. Keep up the good work in showing what the conversation is about. Any photos?</p>
<p>Was there any talk about a more regional plan? What is going to go on down the road at Dormont? Does that even matter? </p>
<p>I think we should think about regional elements &#8212; and swim pools are such an asset. A regional park district discussion makes some sense to me. </p>
<p>Furthermore, what are the upgrades that would be needed for the existing Mt. Lebo outdoor pool? Pool heater? Cost to install? Cost to operate? Rehab of locker spaces? More chairs? More shade / tents? New gutters? New filters? Pool cover? </p>
<p>And, how much is in the &#8216;rainy day fund?&#8217; Who is managing that?</p>
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